| by Kenneth Chase | 100 comments

Starfall: will House Dayne save Westeros?


In the Game of Thrones books, the most famous
noble families include the Starks, Lannisters, and Targaryens. But one of the most mysterious families is
House Dayne. Arthur Dayne was one of the greatest knights
in Westeros, but he mysteriously died – at the birthplace of Jon Snow. Ashara Dayne was a beautiful woman rumoured
to have loved Ned Stark, but she mysteriously died. Darkstar is an edgy emo who may play a key
role in the ending of Thrones. Cause the Daynes have a legendary ancient
sword called Dawn. Their history stretches back thousands of
years , possibly to a distant empire of magic and prophecy. The Daynes live in Dorne, on the island of
Starfall. Cause according to legend, “the first Dayne”
followed a “falling star” to the island. There, he found a stone with “magical powers”
– the “heart” of the “fallen star” . And from that stone was forged Dawn, a strange
and “wondrous” greatsword . Dawn is incredibly sharp and light, but it’s not Valyrian steel
– it’s “pale as milkglass”, and “alive with light” . For thousands of years, Dawn
has been used by only the most “worthy” Dayne knights, who hold the title Sword of
the Morning. Most family swords just pass from father to
son, but to wield Dawn, you’ve actually gotta prove yourself, or else the sword lies
unused. So the Swords of the Morning are all famous
warriors in the history of Westeros, and “most famous of all” is Arthur Dayne .
Arthur was in the Kingsguard of King Aerys Targaryen. He was said to be its deadliest warrior , but
he was also famous for his chivalry , his sense of duty and honour . When he fought
against some outlaws, he first won over the common people . Then, he slew the villainous
Smiling Knight with his legendary sword Dawn. Arthur was also a tourney knight, winning
jousts and melees. Everyone who mentions Arthur admires and respects
him – Ned Stark calls him “the finest knight” he ever saw , and Jaime Lannister
idolised Arthur . Arthur’s the ultimate fantasy of a heroic knight in shining armour
– like the real-world legend of King Arthur, who also had a special sword that came from
a stone – like Dawn. Dayne was probably also inspired by Dane Whitman,
a comic book superhero knight with a sword made from a fallen star – like Dawn. Dane Whitman first appeared in Marvel Comics
in the 60s, when Game of Thrones author George Martin was a teenager – and a big comics
fan. In fact, Martin’s first ever published writing
was a fan letter to Marvel Comics in ’63 . And now, in perfect serendipity, Jon Snow
actor Kit Harrington is set to play Dane Whitman in the MCU . So the point is that Arthur Dayne
represents two of Martin’s early influences – medieval fantasy and superhero comics
– stories about heroes. But Arthur Dayne is not the hero of Game of
Thrones – Arthur dies fifteen years before the story even begins. Because Game of Thrones questions and criticises
fantasy ideas of good versus evil. The death of Arthur Dayne is the death of
the simplistic noble hero, and the beginning of a more complex story, with more complex
heroes. But Game of Thrones doesn’t completely reject
heroic fantasy – and House Dayne is deeply intertwined with the series’ big mysteries,
and with the destiny of Westeros. In the Thrones TV show, it’s revealed that
Jon Snow’s parents are Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. The books haven’t confirmed this yet, but
it’s probably true in the books too. Still, the events surrounding Jon’s birth
are mysterious, and House Dayne was involved from the start. So, sixteen years ago , Lyanna and Rhaegar
ran off together to the tower of joy, guarded by three Kingsguard, including Rhaegar’s
friend Arthur Dayne . Robert Baratheon started a war against the Targaryens, Rhaegar went
to fight him and got hammered [got yeeted into the sun], and Robert became king. Ned Stark found the tower of joy, killed Arthur
and the Kingsguard, and his sister Lyanna died giving birth to Jon Snow. Then, Ned took Arthur’s sword Dawn back
to Starfall – and to Arthur’s sister Ashara, a “beautiful young” woman with “haunting
violet eyes” . We know very little about Ashara, but some characters remember her from
the infamous tournament at Harrenhal. This was the biggest party in Westeros – everyone
was there, and everyone wanted to hook up with Ashara. She danced with Oberyn Martell, and Jon Connington,
and she danced with a young Ned Stark, after Ned’s brother Brandon asked Ashara for him,
because Ned was shy . And there are rumours that Ashara and Ned fell in love that night
– that they shared “Words or kisses, maybe more” . In fact, some say that Ashara is
Jon Snow’s mother – which is probably not true – but someone did get Ashara pregnant. Cause according to Barristan Selmy, Ashara
gave birth to a stillborn daughter, and “soon after”, she committed suicide. After Ned came to Starfall, Ashara threw herself
into the sea, because “Her heart was broken” . Barristan thinks she may’ve killed herself
because of “the man who had dishonored her at Harrenhal” , and he implies that this
man was a “Stark” . So it sounds like Ned Stark got Ashara pregnant, but then he
married Catelyn instead, and he killed Ashara’s brother, and so Ashara was heartbroken . But
is honourable Ned Stark really the kind of person to knock someone up then dump her? Surely Ned would feel guilty if Ashara had
killed herself over him – but Ned never thinks about Ashara in his chapters. Barristan loved Ashara, so if Ned had “dishonored”
her, surely Barry would dislike Ned, but he doesn’t . It doesn’t make sense. So some fans believe that the Stark who hooked
up with Ashara was actually Ned’s brother Brandon. Unlike Ned, Brandon had a reputation as a
fuckboy , and he was “never shy about taking what he wanted” . He was older, more handsome,
more confident and more impulsive than Ned, so he might’ve been the Stark who got with
Ashara. The year after Harrenhal, Brandon was killed
by King Aerys, so grief for Brandon might have been part of what broke Ashara’s heart. But whoever her lover was, Ashara also lost
a stillborn child, and her brother Arthur died, and her companion at court, Princess
Elia, was brutally murdered in Robert’s Rebellion. All this horror and loss, and Ashara was probably
just a teenager at the time , so it’s easy to see how she’d be overwhelmed with grief. But the books never show us Ashara’s perspective,
we don’t know her thoughts and feelings – we only see her through the memories of
others, where she’s idealised and romanticised. She’s a symbol of a nostalgic past when
Barry, Ned and their friends were still young and full of hope. Arthur Dayne’s the same. When Jaime remembers Arthur, he thinks “The
world was simpler in those days”, “and men as well as swords were made of finer steel”
. Of course, the good old days weren’t really that good under Mad King Aerys, but in memory,
Arthur and Ashara represent a mythical bygone time when knights were honourable, and women
were beautiful , and there weren’t so many fucking white walkers. They represent the stories that George Martin
loved growing up, of heroic warriors and beautiful maidens. But the Dayne sigil is a “falling star”
, and when Arthur falls and Ashara literally falls, that romantic past falls too. It’s a tragic loss of innocence, [an original
sin], leaving a darker more complex reality. But there are hints that even Arthur and Ashara
were more complicated than they seem. In Book 3, Arya Stark meets Ned Dayne, the
twelve-year old nephew of Arthur and Ashara. His proper name is Edric, but everyone calls
him Ned , which is weird, cause Ned is the name of the man who killed Edric’s uncle,
and supposedly caused the suicide of Edric’s aunt. Edric mentions that he saw Ned Stark once,
and Edric doesn’t show any dislike for the man who supposedly brought death and grief
to his family . Shouldn’t Edric hate Ned? And Ned Stark doesn’t dislike the Daynes
– he thinks Arthur was a fine knight , and he brought Dawn back to Starfall as “a sign
of respect” . After everything that happened, why are Ned Stark and the Daynes so cool with
each other? Edric mentions a woman called Wylla who works
at Starfall . Wylla was Edric’s wetnurse – she breastfed him as a baby. And Edric says that Wylla also nursed Jon
Snow – so Edric calls Jon his “milk brother” . So this means that after Ned Stark killed
Arthur, and Ashara died, the other Daynes let Ned hang out at Starfall, while Wylla
nursed Jon? That seems very friendly to the man who got
two Daynes killed. Also, Edric Dayne and Robert Baratheon both
think that Wylla is Jon’s mother, which is probably a cover story to protect Jon. It’s all very confusing. But Wylla being Jon’s wetnurse, and Ned
Dayne’s name, and his attitude to Ned Stark all seem to suggest that Ned Stark and the
Daynes actually cooperated in some way. Starfall is fairly close to the tower of joy,
so it’s possible that Wylla was at the tower serving Lyanna while she was pregnant – Lyanna
was a teenager about to give birth in the mountains, she’d need help. So maybe Arthur Dayne suggested they get Wylla
from his family at Starfall. It’s possible that Rhaegar and Lyanna got
married at Starfall – the TV show says that they were secretly married “in Dorne”
. And maybe Ned Stark found out where the tower of joy was from Ashara. There’re all sorts of possibilities for
secrets and drama between Rhaegar Lyanna Ned and the Daynes. There are even theories that Ashara Dayne
isn’t really dead. We are told that Ashara’s body was never
found . So some fans believe Ashara faked her own death, and helped Ned cover up Jon’s
birth, and is now living in the Neck with Howland Reed, the last known survivor of the
tower of joy. Others believe that Ashara is secretly Quaithe
or Septa Lemore – which doesn’t seem likely, because Ashara has “haunting violet eyes”,
and Quaithe and Lemore don’t. But the whole situation is so mysterious and
ambiguous, that there must be some kind of secret amidst the tragedy. Arthur Dayne is also mysterious. Like, he was a Kingsguard, so what was he
doing at the tower of joy all year instead of guarding his king from Robert’s Rebellion? Why did he fight Ned Stark? Is Arthur really the noble knight we think
he is? Arthur was on the Kingsguard for Aerys Targaryen,
the cruel and terrible Mad King. Alongside Jaime, Arthur must’ve stood and
watched while Aerys burned innocent people alive . Was the heroic Arthur Dayne loyal
to this tyrant? In the years before Robert’s Rebellion,
Aerys’ court was divided into people who supported the Mad King, and people who preferred
his son Prince Rhaegar. It’s hinted that Rhaegar planned to overthrow
his mad father, and make himself king . And the worldbook says that in this political
conflict, Rhaegar’s “most formidable” ally was Arthur Dayne . Cause Arthur was Prince
Rhaegar’s oldest friend , Rhaegar trusted him with his secrets – and Rhaegar had big
secrets. Rhaegar was obsessed with the prophecy of
Azor Ahai, a hero prophesied to be reborn and save the world . Rhaegar believed that
his son would be Azor Ahai , along with two siblings , but Rhaegar’s wife Elia couldn’t
have any more children . So it seems that part why Rhaegar ran off with Lyanna and had
baby Jon Snow was to fulfil the Azor Ahai prophecy. And as Rhaegar’s oldest trusted friend,
Arthur probably knew all this. He was with Rhaegar and Lyanna when they went
to the tower, and apparently stayed with them for months . When Robert started the war,
and Rhaegar went to fight him, Arthur and the Kingsguard didn’t go and guard their
king, they stayed with Lyanna and her unborn son, presumably under Rhaegar’s orders . Cause
Arthur was loyal to Rhaegar’s prophetic mission, and loyal to Rhaegar’s son – the
future heir to the Targaryen dynasty, and possibly the future saviour of the world. But when Rhaegar died, and Robert beat the
Targaryens, the Kingsguard were in an awkward situation. They were stuck in a tower in Dorne, and Lyanna
was pregnant with Rhaegar’s heir, but they had no allies left, their side had lost. So – now what? [] In Book 1, Ned Stark dreams of the tower
of joy. He tells the Kingsguard he thought they’d
surrender – but Arthur Dayne says “Our knees do not bend”. Ned says the Kingsguard could run away like
Viserys and Daenerys – but the Kingsguard say they do not flee . Arthur and the Kingsguard
stayed loyal and defiant to the end. They refused to compromise, and chose to die
honourably, following Rhaegar’s last order to guard Lyanna. Of course, Lyanna at the time was dying in
childbirth and screaming for her brother Ned. All Ned wanted was to protect Lyanna and her
baby. And the Kingsguard wanted the same. So you’d think Ned and the Kingsguard could’ve
come to some agreement. Some fans speculate that Arthur faked his
own death, and is still alive somewhere, but there’s no solid evidence. Everything we know about Arthur shows he’s
a man of absolute loyalty and duty – “All knights must bleed”, he said, “Blood is
the seal of our devotion” . So Arthur bled – his noble inflexible honour led to his
death . The noble knight failed his Prince Rhaegar, and his King Aerys. But Arthur’s death still has meaning. Part of the prophecy of Azor Ahai is that
he’ll be reborn beneath a “bleeding star” . Arthur’s sigil is a star, and he bleeds
as Jon is born. The TV show highlights this, putting the star-forged
sword Dawn against the bloody bed where Jon is born. The magic of Azor Ahai is all about sacrifice,
and as Arthur Dayne dies, Jon Snow is born – a new heroic warrior to bring the dawn. In the TV show, the white walkers are defeated
by Arya pulling a sneaky on the Night King. But in the books, there’s foreshadowing
and prophecy that hint at a different ending. According to legend, thousands of years ago,
was the first Long Night, when the white walkers came for the first time. It was ended by the hero Azor Ahai, with a
sword called Lightbringer . Now, Azor Ahai is prophesied to be reborn, and to wield Lightbringer
once more . Melisandre thinks Stannis is Azor Ahai, so she gives him a fiery sword and calls
it Lightbringer. But Stannis’ sword isn’t the real thing
– Aemon says it’s “wrong” and “false” . Where is the real original Lightbringer
from thousands of years ago? Some fans believe that Lightbringer is the
Dayne sword Dawn. Dawn is unique, and mystical, and incredibly
ancient. It’s the only sword in Game of Thrones said
to be thousands of years old , and could date back to the Long Night. And it’s called Dawn – the Long Night
ended in the War for the Dawn. It’s about light overcoming darkness, and
Dawn is forged from a fallen star, it’s “alive with light”. So the symbolism and the timeline both make
sense for Dawn to be the original Lightbringer. But Lightbringer is said to be a “burning
sword” , and Dawn isn’t fiery. So maybe Dawn will become fiery after a sacrifice
– like how Beric’s sword takes fire from his blood . It’s said that Lightbringer
was forged with the sacrifice of Azor Ahai’s wife Nissa Nissa – he stabbed her with Lightbringer,
and “her soul and her strength” “went into the steel” . So maybe Jon Snow will
sacrifice his love Daenerys using Dawn, and her fiery soul will go into the sword, and
reignite it to become Lightbringer. That way, instead of Daenerys’ death being
like putting down a rabid fascist dog, her death could be a tragic sacrifice to bring
light against the darkness. Dawn might be the sword that will save the
world. But currently, Dawn is in Starfall, waiting
for a “knight of House Dayne” to become Sword of the Morning . Jon’s not a Dayne
knight, so he can’t go take it. Who will bring Dawn into the story? When Arya meets Edric Dayne in Book 3, he’s
twelve years old , serving Beric Dondarrion as a squire . Edric is a shy , “polite”
kid, and doesn’t seem like much of a warrior . But when George Martin introduced Edric,
he might have been planning for him to become the Sword of the Morning. Cause at the time, Martin’s plan was for
Book 4 to begin five years after the end of Book 3. Meaning, the characters in Book 4 would all
be five years older – Bran would’ve spent five years learning magic with Bloodraven,
and Arya would’ve spent five years in Braavos. Cause lots of characters are really young
in the books, and the five year gap would’ve aged them up, made them older and more experienced
for the later story. But Martin found that the gap didn’t work
for some storylines, and it sucked to use flashbacks to explain the last five years. So he scrapped the gap, and wrote Book 4 to
just continue where Book 3 left off. So some characters are still really young
– in Book 4, Arya’s just eleven years old when she starts assassinating people , and
Rickon is just four , so he can barely be in the story . Removing the five-year gap
forced Martin to change his plans. And this might have affected young Edric Dayne. If he spent five years with Beric’s men
in the riverlands, he could’ve grown up into seventeen-year old warrior worthy of
wielding Dawn. But since Martin removed the gap, Edric stayed
twelve, and he doesn’t even appear after Book 3. But in Book 4, a new Dayne character is introduced. A warrior with the skill and age to potentially
wield Dawn. But this character’s not as friendly as
Edric. His name is Gerold Dayne, but men call him
“Darkstar”, and he is “of the night” . Darkstar is a tryhard emo edgelord who wants
everyone to know how dark and brooding he is. He’s arrogant and violent and cruel – he
cuts off Myrcella’s ear during Arianne’s plot, it’s a whole thing. By Book 5, Darkstar goes to High Hermitage
– a castle right by Starfall, where Dawn is. Fans speculate that he might steal his family’s
sword. Cause Darkstar is jealous of his famous cousin
Arthur . He says the only reason Arthur was a “great knight” is cause he had the “great
sword” Dawn – it sounds like Darkstar wants Dawn for himself, to prove himself better
than Arthur – perhaps a Sword of the Evening, to rival the Sword of the Morning. If Darkstar gets Dawn, he could take over
whatever plotline was meant for Edric before the five year gap was scrapped. Once Dawn is back in the story, it could find
its way into the hands of Jon Snow, or whoever else plays the role of Azor Ahai. Then Dawn can be Lightbringer, and drive back
the darkness once more. Cause the connections between House Dayne
and the legends of Azor Ahai go way back into ancient history, and to a far distant empire. When Arya meets Edric, she’s surprised by
his appearance. Cause the Daynes are from Dorne, and Arya
thinks Dornishmen have dark hair and dark eyes. But Edric has “pale blond” hair and blue
eyes that look “almost purple” . Darkstar has “silver” blond hair and “purple”
eyes . And Ashara Dayne famously has “haunting purple eyes”. Arthur’s appearance isn’t described. But all of the known Daynes have eyes described
as purple, and most have pale blond hair. Purple eyes and blond hair are associated
with the Targaryens. The TV show doesn’t do the purple eyes,
but in the books, Daenerys and her family famously have purple eyes and blond hair . Because
the Targaryens descend from Valyria, the ancient empire of the dragonlords. Purple eyes and blond hair indicate “the
blood of the dragon”, the Valyrian lineage of dragonriding and fire magic . Every character
in Game of Thrones with purple eyes is a either a Targaryen or has some Valyrian blood – except
for the Daynes. Cause the Daynes were in Westeros thousands
of years before the Valyrians arrived . So where did the Daynes get their special purple
eyes? There’s another weird anachronism nearby
to Starfall. In the city of Oldtown is the Hightower, the
tallest tower in Westeros. The Hightower was built on top of a much older
fortress made of fused black stone. Fused black stone is made with dragonfire,
so you’d think this structure was built by Valyrian dragonriders . But maesters say
that the architecture is “singularly un-Valyrian” – it must have been built by some other
people who came to Westeros with dragons thousands of years before the Valyrians. So who are these mysterious ancient dragonriders? Could they be the purple-eyed ancestors of
both the Daynes and the Valyrians ? According to legend, in the far far east was the Great
Empire of the Dawn. Thousands of years before Valyria and Westeros,
it was the most advanced and prosperous empire in the world – until the reign of the Bloodstone
Emperor. He worshipped “a black stone that had fallen
from the sky” , which sounds like the Dayne legend of the fallen star. And the Bloodstone Emperor killed his sister
the Amethyst Empress – amethysts are purple, like Dayne eyes. And apparently, this caused the Long Night
, which was ended by Azor Ahai with Lightbringer . To defend the Empire, the massive Five Forts
were built , which seems a lot like the Wall. So this legend sounds just like the story
of the Long Night in Westeros , except the Great Empire of the Dawn is on the opposite
side of the world to Westeros. How did Azor Ahai defeat the darkness in Essos
and in distant Westeros? The answer might be dragons. Cause the Five Forts, like the Hightower fortress,
are made of fused black stone , so the Great Empire must’ve had dragons. Maybe after Azor Ahai defeated the darkness
in the east, he flew over to Westeros and ended the Long Night there. He could’ve built the mysterious Hightower
fortress. He could’ve founded House Dayne, and renamed
his sword Lightbringer to Dawn, and started the tradition of the Swords of the Morning
to keep his descendants ready for the next Long Night. Maybe House Dayne is the ancient lineage of
Azor Ahai of the Great Empire of the Dawn, the hero destined to be reborn and save the
world from darkness. And thing is, both Jon Snow and Daenerys have
a Dayne ancestor, Dyanna Dayne. Daenerys hatches her dragons beneath a bleeding
star, like the Dayne sigil. She has a dream of ghostly kings with “swords
of pale fire” and “amethyst” eyes , which might symbolise the Great Empire of the Dawn. And the whole story of Jon’s mysterious
birth is intertwined with the fall of Arthur and Ashara Dayne. In Book 3, Jon looks up at a constellation
called “The Sword of the Morning”, and “the bright white star in its hilt” blazes
“like a diamond in the dawn” – and he allows himself to “hope” . The fall of
Arthur and Ashara Dayne wasn’t for nothing, and the fantasy ideals they represent aren’t
dead yet. Cause they led to the rise of new heroes,
who carry on their ancient legacy to fulfil prophecy and bring light. After the night comes dawn, to defeat the
darkness once more. If you wanna know more about the mysteries
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100 Comments

Krystal LB

Nov 11, 2019, 1:34 pm Reply

Not related to GOT, will you consider covering The Mandalorian?

bubblewrapstargirl

Nov 11, 2019, 1:45 pm Reply

I adore these deep dives into the lore of the books…. but honestly it just makes me want to ritually sacrifice D&D for the travesty of S7&8. If they weren't greedy little pigs, they could have handed the show to someone else, and we might have had a season 7,8,9&10 to finish off what was once the (in my opinion) best TV show of all time. Instead, we got their lazy, incomprehensible ending. Jon (or Theon) should have been TPWWP, Dany should have gotten more time to go Mad, Jaime should have strangled Cersei and Jon should have been king on the Iron Throne. As far as I'm concerned, GOT was cancelled after S6.

triskut

Nov 11, 2019, 9:54 pm Reply

I trib your voice before I sleep.

M S

Nov 11, 2019, 4:27 am Reply

Start Netflix series “Dark”

nafees anjum

Nov 11, 2019, 11:39 am Reply

https://archiveofourown.org/works/14948843/chapters/51275032#workskin

GOT fans here☝

Gürdal TAK

Nov 11, 2019, 1:21 pm Reply

Do a video on Bravoos please

Mighty Morphin98

Nov 11, 2019, 1:54 pm Reply

I think it makes much more sense that Ned got her pregnant. Just because he doesn’t think about her in his chapters doesn’t really constitute as a lot of evidence against it. He may think about Lyanna but not once does he mention Jon in his flashbacks, there’s only one book of his chapters and a lot of memories to cover.

It makes more sense Ashara would kill herself if the man she fell in love with slew her brother.

Milah FYF

Nov 11, 2019, 11:44 pm Reply

I think Daenerys is the missing Dayne heiress.

George Hugh

Nov 11, 2019, 4:50 am Reply

I'm still hoping Martin kills off Arya in the books, maybe after a fight with his wife…

Nicholas Capps

Nov 11, 2019, 6:58 am Reply

Can I suggest you doing The Expanse?

James Mula

Nov 11, 2019, 11:23 am Reply

Can or will you be doing a breakdown of the Mandalorian?

Andy Mitchell

Nov 11, 2019, 8:06 pm Reply

Watching this makes me pine for a time when I was excited about this story. The show has gone down in flames, and nearly ruined by enthusiasm for this universe, but I am hoping that will change after the release of Winds of Winter, and I am glad you will still be there to take a deep dive into book mythology (honestly, what we should have been focused on all along).

Aby

Nov 11, 2019, 9:37 pm Reply

why is it that everyone on you tube when referring to jon snow never mentions that jon book is not jon show…..because if they fucking are, then he is the shittiest character ever, and no way he can be anywhere close to azhor ahai…. and why is everyone in the books and show so smart and jon such an imbecil?!….and dont get me started on the worse ever actor interpreting him.

Great video but in all honesty, im not sure we talking anywhere close to what the HBO show is about, and its obvious that J Martin had not fucking clue of what he wrote himself….after all even a 5 year old can see that him on interviews has not a 1% of intelligence or insight as @Alt, Shift X

majestic microbes

Nov 11, 2019, 6:26 pm Reply

There was definitely something going on between Rhaegar and the Daynes. I think the Daynes knew about the prophecy and were fully invested in helping Rhaegar fulfill it.

GearCheck 101

Nov 11, 2019, 12:47 am Reply

You need to be making The Mandalorian videos while it is relevant.

Matteo Furlotti

Nov 11, 2019, 3:32 pm Reply

can't wait 'till all the books come out to see the disappointment in all of the fans videos

Tobinus Bomm

Nov 11, 2019, 4:12 pm Reply

At the end of S8 you mentiont that you would consider making videos on other franchises or series such as "Dark". Are you still planning on doing that? I would really love an Alt Shift X analysis of Dark in particular, bringing my favorit GoT-themed channel to my new favorit show and some clarity into the nebulous world of Winden!

The Wolf and The Crows

Nov 11, 2019, 10:05 pm Reply

Awesome video guys! 😀
We interviewed Vlad – The Night King last week. You should check out his interview over on our channel

Ordonity

Dec 12, 2019, 4:04 pm Reply

The way you say fuckboi is so soothing

Sabine Battel

Dec 12, 2019, 12:44 am Reply

A stillborn from consumation at Harrenhall adds to the wierd 'birth curse' that seems to hang over that castle too.

Jack Gonsalves

Dec 12, 2019, 4:38 am Reply

Is this the same guy that does the trap lore or whatever

CreepyGUYcool1! Productions

Dec 12, 2019, 7:45 pm Reply

A lot of asteroids fell in Westeros over the millennia… GRRM is like, “fuck it, I am throwing aliens in the mix, and god help me”

Jared

Dec 12, 2019, 3:11 am Reply

Also it could really be as simple as Dawn symbolizes or brings and end to the night/long night.

Number 27

Dec 12, 2019, 3:29 pm Reply

Could you do a video about the comet that appeared after Dany birthed the dragons? There are a lot of stories/myths surrounding falling rocks or falling stars in TWOIAC so maybe this could have some relevance…

Sky R

Dec 12, 2019, 9:44 pm Reply

This was super cool. Love the videos!!

Matthew Housham

Dec 12, 2019, 3:32 am Reply

Oh thank God, you're still at it.

Lonit

Dec 12, 2019, 10:06 am Reply

similar series for the witcher would be nice

Andre Mark

Dec 12, 2019, 2:40 pm Reply

I was just thinking about what happened to my favorite game of thrones theorists, Bloody brilliant video

Carlos Rossi

Dec 12, 2019, 5:20 am Reply

Dear AltShift, I know these videos are less popular than your videos on the show, and therefore generate less revenue. These videos probably take up more time and money. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT STOP MAKING THEM. These videos are hugely important to us fan of the books and are the reason why I subscribed in the first place. 😔

Scott Johnston

Dec 12, 2019, 12:29 pm Reply

This is the best theory breakdown since we were asked whether we'd see Ser Pounce riding a reanimated skeletal dragon.

Miu too

Dec 12, 2019, 8:16 pm Reply

Ew at that ugly theory of cringy sacrifice, incel like fantasy

No One Special

Dec 12, 2019, 10:51 pm Reply

Crazy you're not doing Watchmen videos.

brother Lancel

Dec 12, 2019, 2:41 am Reply

Can anyone tell me about where the breastplate stretcher is?

Oaky

Dec 12, 2019, 3:04 am Reply

I love the fact that dead characters like Aurther and rhaegar and lyanna have such an influence over the story years after they die

Isabel Zellmann-Rohrer

Dec 12, 2019, 11:55 pm Reply

I thought Ashara died by suicide, after learning Ned married Catelyn.

Tu nana

Dec 12, 2019, 8:06 am Reply

If Ned really slept with Ashara, it'd be an interesting parallel with Robb sleeping with Jeyne Westerling. Maybe Robb heard the rumours about his dad hitting and quitting with this girl back in the day and the effect it had on her? So maybe that's when he did the same he decided to marry the girl he banged? Even if Ashara's baby wasn't Ned's, Robb would have nothing to go by other than the rumours.

TheDOPDeity

Dec 12, 2019, 6:01 am Reply

Darkstar is a goffik and if you flame him yur a prep

Aladur

Dec 12, 2019, 8:05 pm Reply

Is there any chance AltShiftX that u gonna explaining witcher series from Netflix??

Brisingr2392

Dec 12, 2019, 6:51 pm Reply

Ned knows of more buried dishonor around him than he would like

ZFistAce

Dec 12, 2019, 8:04 pm Reply

Great analysis alt shift x, hopefully all the mysteries of the Daynes will be answered in the last 2 books.

Jack Donaldson

Dec 12, 2019, 9:21 pm Reply

I feel like these videos spoil the books before they've even come out

Fuzzy Dunlop

Dec 12, 2019, 7:03 am Reply

Wait, where does it say that Starfall is (or is on an) island? I thought the locations barely been mentioned thus far and never ran into anything mentioning an island. That said, pretty much the only tin-foil I allow myself is the Howland Reed and Ashara Dayne theory. It's just too damn GRRMsy and appropriate.

hokogan

Dec 12, 2019, 5:20 pm Reply

I mean, there’s all this talk about the first time the White Walkers invaded, but does that mean it’s the only time?

IronSabbathPriest

Dec 12, 2019, 6:36 pm Reply

16:40 but that was the point though. Jon did save the world from the darkness. Granted, it wasn’t the literal long night the Others would bring, but the metaphorical one Daenerys would bring.

The Others are just another spoke on the wheel. They never would’ve made it past the Wall without Viserion. Yes, yes, I know the horn of Joramun will likely come into play in the books, but I’d be very surprised if it does what it says on the tin. I have a pet theory that the showrunners gave part of Euron’s book story to the “Night King”. So maybe after he snags a dragon he’ll bring down the wall.

I think The Others will die by accident in the books. Think about Sauron’s death in LOTR. He dies (or his physical form was destroyed, to be more exact) because Gollum slipped and fell. How will it be applied to ASOIAF? I’ve no idea. But we’ll hopefully find out and hopefully it’ll be more satisfying that 8×03.

I doubt there will be a flaming sword though. All prophecy is bull, and you have to twist things to make it fit. For example, the dragons being Dany’s Lightbringer. GRRMartin is an Atheist, so why would he write a story where Religion was right all along? The same religion that burns people alive. What kind of message is that?

Giwrgos Dioulgkaridis

Dec 12, 2019, 2:34 am Reply

No now it edns

Darkfireice

Dec 12, 2019, 3:18 am Reply

What if Jon's great sacrifice is Arya, sent to kill him or Dany, the sister he loves most

Olorin

Dec 12, 2019, 6:42 am Reply

I fucking hate how GoT depicted the tower of joy. They just killed so much of the characters.
Hopefully it is so spare us for a better story in the books!

Kasino Kaiser

Dec 12, 2019, 11:00 am Reply

Wait, Wylla is a real person and not just some character Ned made up? I wonder what she thinks of all this intrigue surrounding her?

Alfred Kabatay

Dec 12, 2019, 10:22 pm Reply

Jon was never born under the Dawn sword's star. He was already born by the time Ed showed up, He was already given a name by the time the sword even entered the Room.

Codycos

Dec 12, 2019, 5:21 am Reply

Lets face it, GRRM could never finish the series and it would be more fulfilling than the end of the TV show.

Jack Considine

Dec 12, 2019, 1:27 pm Reply

Best Game of Thrones content since Season 6 Episode 10 aired 👍

dєlnαєrчѕ tαlчѕgσrn /•Sybilline•

Dec 12, 2019, 2:14 pm Reply

Ahem, The First Men. The Great Empire of the Dawn. Valyrian people came from the great empire of the dawn, which is also where the first men came from……

Research! Do it.

Exquisite Elephant

Dec 12, 2019, 5:13 pm Reply

I see a lot of parallels between Ice and Dawn. Caitlyn says that Ice is a few hundred years old but it’s name and story are much older possibly referring to the long night. I think starks are team old gods and the night king is a stark.

Chris Thomas

Dec 12, 2019, 11:18 pm Reply

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW
😉

Jim N

Dec 12, 2019, 3:10 am Reply

The ending of Thrones? Someone is awfully optimistic for the productivity and life expectancy of George.

Jeremy Kiahsobyk

Dec 12, 2019, 5:02 am Reply

This 25 min video was more satisfying than the entirety of Season 8

Joe Leamy

Dec 12, 2019, 9:44 am Reply

“Brandon had a reputation of being a fuck boy.”
That’s perfect!

The King In The North

Dec 12, 2019, 3:25 pm Reply

Short answer: No

fiona hamil

Dec 12, 2019, 5:49 pm Reply

Not sure you have covered this? Here goes, in series 1 episode 1 the first white walker seen is a young female. We then find out later that Craster leaves baby boys for the white walkers….so my question is, why do we never see white walker children in the match south, let alone female children – unless they have been left at home to do the house keeping? Seems strange or is this something else overlooked 🤔 ps love your vids, I’ve learnt so much 👍🏻

Fuzzy Dunlop

Dec 12, 2019, 9:37 pm Reply

You ever consider tackling the ole "Howland Reed + Ashara Dayne" theory in a video? It's gotten some real traction since In Deep Geek did a video on it.

Malik Evans

Dec 12, 2019, 2:34 pm Reply

"Putting down a rabid, fascist dog…"

Ouch

Reirei Barker

Dec 12, 2019, 4:00 pm Reply

Obviously Arthur is in Winterfell posing as Bael the Bard, a hostage in Yunkai, missing beyond the Wall, leading the Ironborn and Moon Boy for all I know

Alex De Leon

Dec 12, 2019, 4:24 am Reply

Dayne motto: "Light in the Darkness"

With Sebastian

Dec 12, 2019, 10:58 am Reply

I love that Arthur Dayne art. Had my Dwarf and Paladin OC's commissioned by BellaBergolts as well, she's a gem.

Silphaer

Dec 12, 2019, 7:48 pm Reply

I would have loved to see Ned Dayne become Sword of the Morning. He's one of my favourite minor characters.

A B

Dec 12, 2019, 4:22 am Reply

Was Arthur dayne the dual wielding swords guy?

Terell Chapman

Dec 12, 2019, 9:22 am Reply

16:30 your joking right 🙃

JohnFourtyTwo

Dec 12, 2019, 10:28 pm Reply

@Alt Shift X I love how you took all the source material and neatly stitched everything together into a cohesive and coherent story which is something we all know David Benioff and D. B. Weiss failed miserably the last two or three seasons of GOT. At the very least I would love to know what GRRM would have to say about your reviews; we all think you're spot on.

I spent most of last year re-watching the entire series with closed-captions (taking screen prints), re-reading all the books and official online source material, and taking copious notes for the Season Eight final exam only to find out the Double Dees didn't using any of the study material because they made it all up. Granted GRRM hasn't finished the books yet but he's put out tons of back-story source material that a blind person wouldn't have a problem coming to a much different conclusion than what we received in the last two or three seasons; especially Season 8.

Everything you're talking about in this video I came across in my studies last year and was quite surprised to say the least that I wasted much of last year doing so. Fortunately I'm not alone because fans worldwide expressed their dismay for Season 8 especially with U.S. ratings going from about 95% for S8E1/2 to 50% in S8E6 which is the worst season for GOT.

Please keep up the great work with these videos.

Haz Jones

Dec 12, 2019, 4:26 pm Reply

22:35 "to go north you must go south to go west you must go east"

Jonsnowmybro

Dec 12, 2019, 1:38 am Reply

I usually wouldn't go a day without watching one of these kind of videos, now anything to do with GoT is a distant, devastatingly disappointing memory, I'm not being dramatic fucking hurts lol. And people think what Disney done to star wars is bad….at least you all can think of ep3 as "real ending" something the show never gave and George himself might not give

Martin Mullender-Taeter

Dec 12, 2019, 1:38 am Reply

Well you are forgetting that john does not love dany, he is dead atm… And he may have heard about her, but does not care, well tbh, no one cares about dany, she is a useless little girl lost in politics and has nothing, even her dragons, she cant controll them, cant even fly them… And atm she is on her way to asshai

ShadeRunner

Dec 12, 2019, 4:17 am Reply

But where are the Jews?

AttitudeAdjusterAA

Dec 12, 2019, 7:33 pm Reply

god this makes me depressed about the show

lela scott

Dec 12, 2019, 4:38 pm Reply

This is a REALLY good theory with such great detail. I hope George goes further into House Dayne’s history in the next two books. It’ll be so interesting if Edric “Ned” Dayne is the Sword of the Morning, it will be great storytelling.

Jeffrey Aguilar

Dec 12, 2019, 5:30 pm Reply

Bran the builder
Bran the breaker
Bran the broken
Bran the fuck boy
Better than Jon the Queenlayer

Thor Odinson

Dec 12, 2019, 3:18 am Reply

6:05 LMFAO!!!

Never once did I think that Brandon Stark would be called a "fuckboy"

Thor Odinson

Dec 12, 2019, 3:19 am Reply

Bran The Broken
Bran The Builder
Bran The Fuckboy

FUCK YOUTUBE

Dec 12, 2019, 3:32 am Reply

sword of the morning from a falling star. so morning star. aka satan. give me a break

WBG123098

Dec 12, 2019, 7:22 am Reply

Bro wtf Darkstar is not an emo edgelord… George paints him as a badass. Hes the most dangerous one of their group, he sniffs out the trap and saves himself. You got a bad take. Darkstar is raw

R J

Dec 12, 2019, 12:14 pm Reply

Dude…..U should have been the writer we all deserved for season 8……shit!!

Maximus

Dec 12, 2019, 6:59 pm Reply

Jaqen H'ghar has black hair with white strand, darkstar the opposite. Coincidence?

Leah Lemieux

Dec 12, 2019, 10:56 pm Reply

nice Mighty Boost reference!

Timeija Bell

Dec 12, 2019, 6:19 am Reply

anything would b better than season 8

Dennis Persson

Dec 12, 2019, 8:42 am Reply

I don't feel like this gets discussed enough: George RR Martin has said Arthur Dayne and Barristan Selmy are equally good fighters although, in a duel Arthur would probably win because of Dawn.

So they are equally good (remember they will have practiced together many times, eg. Jaime Lannister would deffinetly know that Barristan is an equal swoed fighter) yet Barristan has ended the blackfyres, singel-handed saved King Aerys from Duskendale, fought valiantly in the battle of the Trident and much more!
All we know Arthur did was fighting a band of outlaws??? (Except turneys)

WHY DOES EVERY POV CHARACTER REMEMBER SER ARTHUR AS THE GREATEST KNIGHT OF HIS AGE WHEN SER BARRISTAN IS RIGHT THERE!?!?

Orson Lannister

Dec 12, 2019, 6:17 pm Reply

Smash the beetles! Smash them! Cung! Cung! Cung!

Boudjemaà Miloud

Dec 12, 2019, 1:53 pm Reply

Please do a video on the ghost of high heart her visions are interesting, what she says about Sansa, Arya and summerhaul ,she even predicted the red wedding

Andre Michael Pietroschek

Jan 1, 2020, 9:22 am Reply

You actually told it yourself: The most famous houses of Westeros, NOT the most successful houses…

Elis Lee

Jan 1, 2020, 6:28 pm Reply

dan and david the two dumbfucks

Edward Klein

Jan 1, 2020, 10:17 pm Reply

You should make a Vid on premise of if Jon had been born with Targaryen features; silver eyes, purple eyes, etc

Jack

Jan 1, 2020, 11:24 pm Reply

Darkstar is that one kid at school who pretends to be Batman. He is the night, after all.

Darren Hitt

Jan 1, 2020, 7:00 am Reply

6:08…hahaha. "had a reputation as a fuck boy" I think you need to do a little homework before u try to sound "hip" lol. "Fuck boy" doesn't mean what u think it does. In fact it is the opposite of how you used it. Nice try though.

AlterBridgeSurfa

Jan 1, 2020, 3:08 pm Reply

House Dayne: Speak Friend and Enter.

V A

Jan 1, 2020, 11:19 pm Reply

What a waste of time after S8, they should hired you instead of D&D.

Regina Soliman

Jan 1, 2020, 11:30 pm Reply

My guess for Dayne's house words "Dawn brings the light"

alice nine

Jan 1, 2020, 8:47 am Reply

I would like to propose a theory: Azora is all of them.

Creepy Hollow

Jan 1, 2020, 1:41 pm Reply

Hello,

I really love ASX videos, and I've been wondering how many videos are Patreon only and what are some of the topics, because my country doesn't allow Patreon support so I cannot donate to watch them.

Thankful in advance,
  Nex

itisimpossibleto

Jan 1, 2020, 3:58 pm Reply

great video. I just wanted to ask, when do they say the black stone was mad by dragons. I thought the black stone in the seastone chair and old town origin was mysterious

Tonio Divichi

Jan 1, 2020, 8:15 pm Reply

I just finished redaing the 5 books a few weeks ago and watching this video really made me miss the story 🙁

Jeffrey Aguilar

Jan 1, 2020, 3:02 pm Reply

Honestly this video makes think it is now possible Ashara could be his mum.

Daniel Lockett

Jan 1, 2020, 2:03 am Reply

You know, I kinda want the ending, not to be Azor Ahai and Light bringer, but something similar to the westerosi version of the long night end. How the last hero went in search of the children of the forest in the hope that their magic would help defeat the white walkers. I want something similar to that to be the ending

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